Hi, At 02:43 22/08/96 -0400, Philip Chien wrote, in particular: >Pioneer Venus Orbiter and Pioneer Venus Probe are a/k/a Pioneer 11 and 12. Well, Pioneer 11 went significantly further than to Venus. I remember it flied by Jupiter and Saturn. I believe Philip thought of Mariners 11 and 12. Igor Lissov Deputy Chief Editor - Novosti Kosmonavtiki VideoCosmos Co. Moscow, Russia 'All astronauts are created equal, but some are more equal than others' 'Deke!' - by Donald K. 'Deke' Slayton with Michael Cassutt