That's the scary part for astronomers. If the Iridium Consortium just gives up on them, there will be random Mag 0 to -8 flares across the sky at any time. Yes, they are predictable to a certain extent by their orbits, but an uncontrolled satellite can produce a flare at any time, anywhere along it's orbit when the dark/sunlit geometry is favorable. It will be a nightmare for astrophotography, and especially meteor observing. I know some of you think I am whining, but believe me, for every amateur astronomer to be required to have a working satellite prediction program with current TLE's is a logistical nightmare. I know it doesn't seem like it to this audience, but for myself as a meteor observer, I have 2 to 3 objects a night I have to check out that might be point meteors (heading directly toward you, hence no motion) or flashes and or flares. Many people don't have the time to spare so they will just give up. The amount of work required to do so will discourage many future observers. The Iridium Consortium should under no circumstances be allowed to abandon these satellites and leave them in uncontrolled configurations. It's just another really ugly form of light pollution. My 85 cents worth, Wayne ---------- From: Ron Lee[SMTP:ronlee@pcisys.net] Sent: Thursday, August 12, 1999 7:42 PM To: SeeSat-L@blackadder.lmsal.com Subject: Iridium Flares to End? Seems that the Iridium folks defaulted on about $1.5 billion (US). I do not know what will happen but you may consider looking at nice flares soon just in case. Ron Lee