Dave Ziemann wrote: >>One reason I did not look so closely is that I had been hoping for a = better >>way of doing things than finding the relevent software, downloading it = onto >>my PC, learning how to drive it, grappling with unfamiliar terms and = then >>continuously feeding it with element sets which seem to be available = from a >>number of different sources. > >As an enthusiast I might want to do that, but as a novitiate I do not. = It >seems sort of dumb to have to download a program from the internet, = when >that program is itself reliant on data available (mainly) on the = internet. >Better if the program is located at a "one-stop" web site, from which = it >knows where to get element sets. I should never even hear the phrase >"element set".=20 If you are not interested in the technical details, then you need only = go outside during twilight and scan the half of the sky opposite the = sun. From a suburban=20 area, at least ten satellites can be seen with the unaided eye each = hour. No muss, no fuss! >That is what I meant when I said: >>The currently available software is fantastic in terms of speed and = accuracy, >>but does make certain assumptions about the level of technical skill = and >>motivation of its users. You could say that about virtually any computer software. A word = processing=20 program is useless except to those who know a language and are motivated = to=20 express themselves.=20 >I realise that this may not initially sound very appealing to those who = sell >multiple copies of satellite software, but the trend is inevitable.=20 Are you suggesting that someone is opposed to this "trend" for = commercial=20 reasons? I believe that most orbit prediction programs are written for = the=20 personal use of the programmer. Many of these programs are then made = available=20 as freeware or shareware, but I doubt that anyone selling them is making = enough money to worry about competition. >Another advantage of this approach is that all the users would by = definition >be using the same, latest element set Assuming that the elements were located in a database, and updated in = real-time, as fast as NORAD issued updates, then users would be using the latest = elset at the time they log on, but they would not be using the *same* elset = because they would not all log on at the same time. In any case, there is little or = no=20 practical benefit in everyone using the same element set to make = predictions. >I know that the serious hobbyist will want to take more control of the >software and the data, but I am describing what a casual observer might = want >to do, and for whom the "activation energy barrier" is currently way = too hi My experience has been that the main "activation energy barrier" is = within the=20 individual. Through public speaking and star parties, I have introduced = hundreds=20 of people to satellite observation. For two years, I even managed a = local=20 satellite observation group, involving about a dozen persons. They were = provided excellent software, the latest elements, and alerted to special events. = Hands-on training was available. As a result of all of this effort, one person = has become=20 a regular observer, and none have become analysts. I have compared notes with others like myself, and their experience has = been=20 similar. From this I have formulated Molczan's Law: If a person truly wants to become an satellite observer and/or orbital analyst, then she will move heaven and earth to become one; otherwise, no amount of externally applied energy will help him overcome his activation energy barrier. >But until then, I will download some satellite software, update my = "favourite" satellites >list, and wait for the clouds to go away... And you will learn to love it! Ted Molczan