RE: Seesat-l Digest, Vol 35, Issue 16

From: Joseph Chircop (Enigma12@Maltanet.net)
Date: Sun Dec 16 2012 - 19:12:41 UTC

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    Hi all,
     while I was searching the net, for information on the download frequency for KMS 3-12 . I had found the following website on internet
    
    http://www.northkoreatech.org/2012/12/15/tracking-north-koreas-satellite/
    
    
    Regards Joseph
    
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    Today's Topics:
    
       1. ISS orbit boost on Dec 16 (Kevin Fetter)
       2. Re: Using a DSLR  (Greg Roberts)
       3. ST OBS 13, 14 and 15th: Drifting NOSS 3-1 and Yaogan 9/16
          Analysis (Scott Tilley)
       4. Re: ST OBS 13, 14 and 15th: Drifting NOSS 3-1 and Yaogan 9/16
          Analysis (Scott Tilley)
       5. CB Obs December 15, 2012 (C. Bassa)
       6. Using a DSLR (Petter Aslaksen)
       7. Ofeq-5 (Petter Aslaksen)
       8. High altitude unknown (Rick Baldridge)
       9. Re: High altitude unknown (C. Bassa)
      10. Re: Ofeq-5 (C. Bassa)
    
    
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    Message: 1
    Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2012 06:49:47 -0800 (PST)
    From: Kevin Fetter <kfetter@yahoo.com>
    Subject: ISS orbit boost on Dec 16
    To: seesat-l@satobs.org
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    http://spaceflight1.nasa.gov/realdata/sightings/SSapplications/Post/JavaSSOP/orbit/ISS/SVPOST.html
    
    TWO LINE MEAN ELEMENT SET
      
    ISS
    1 25544U 98067A   12351.42101783  .00016717  00000-0  10270-3 0  9027
    2 25544  51.6463 296.2557 0016542  45.7282 314.5224 15.52126163  6323
      
    ISS
    1 25544U 98067A   12351.61418416  .00016717  00000-0  10270-3 0  9033
    2 25544  51.6484 295.2966 0017179  49.2428 311.0212 15.51872064  6356
      
    
    
    
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    Message: 2
    Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2012 23:55:58 +0200
    From: "Greg Roberts" <grr@telkomsa.net>
    Subject: Re: Using a DSLR
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    Hi
    
    My Nikon D3100 DSLR has the GPS option - its an "extra" item. The camera makes note of long/latitude/altitude and time UTC but it looks like only to integer seconds.
    
    Cheers
    Greg
    
    
    
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    Message: 3
    Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2012 14:16:55 -0800
    From: Scott Tilley <sthed475@telus.net>
    Subject: ST OBS 13, 14 and 15th: Drifting NOSS 3-1 and Yaogan 9/16
    	Analysis
    To: SeeSat <seesat-l@satobs.org>
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    NOSS 3-1 (A) and (C) are experiencing a family reunion presently.  The two s/c are very close together as NOSS 3-1 (C) drifts by relative to NOSS 3-1 (A).  As noted by the obs below.
    
    The behaviour of modifying the MM of one of the group of NOSS type space craft is being actively used by the Yaogan 16 mission to form the trio of s/c in late January.  Yaogan 9 used the same technique at the start of its mission.
    
    It appears two of the s/c in the Yaogan 16 group maneuvered to sync their MM soon after launch. The other increased its and is drifting relative to the other two now and will rejoin them in about a month...
    
    This family reunion seems planned for about 0000UTC on January 6th.
    
    https://dl.dropbox.com/u/15916951/SATOBS/yaogan_commissioning.pdf
    
    Dec 13th:
    28096 03 054B   8049 G 20121213025518966 17 25 1102753+695609 37 E
    28096 03 054B   8049 G 20121213025523938 17 25 1052046+694666 37 S
    26907 01 040C   8049 G 20121213032341552 17 25 1200668+671223 37 S
    26907 01 040C   8049 G 20121213032348942 17 25 1145612+670319 37 S
    26907 01 040C   8049 G 20121213032357470 17 25 1128680+664571 37 S
    
    Dec 14th:
    20691 90 050C   8049 G 20121214143136363 17 25 2311332+693688 37 S
    20691 90 050C   8049 G 20121214143145473 17 25 2249983+682931 37 S
    20691 90 050C   8049 G 20121214143151860 17 25 2236823+673756 37 S
    20692 90 050D   8049 G 20121214143309608 17 25 2330195+693215 37 S
    20692 90 050D   8049 G 20121214143316177 17 25 2313574+685133 37 S
    20692 90 050D   8049 G 20121214143325585 17 25 2252336+674457 37 S
    20692 90 050D   8049 G 20121214143331911 17 25 2239704+665536 37 S
    20642 90 050E   8049 G 20121214143510056 17 25 2323528+700165 37 S
    20642 90 050E   8049 G 20121214143515730 17 25 2309424+692412 37 S
    20642 90 050E   8049 G 20121214143526477 17 25 2245728+680409 37 S
    
    Dec 15th:
    28096 03 054B   8049 G 20121215012530667 17 25 1021378+681315 37 S
    28096 03 054B   8049 G 20121215012537588 17 25 1007944+680075 37 S
    28096 03 054B   8049 G 20121215012547547 17 25 0949096+673513 37 S
    28096 03 054B   8049 G 20121215012555737 17 25 0934417+670813 37 S
    26905 01 040A   8049 G 20121215015306850 17 25 1047300+665076 37 S
    26905 01 040A   8049 G 20121215015311526 17 25 1038121+663849 37 S
    26907 01 040C   8049 G 20121215015306885 17 25 1048432+664037 37 S
    26907 01 040C   8049 G 20121215015311120 17 25 1040156+663011 37 S
    26905 01 040A   8049 G 20121215015314942 17 25 1031749+662803 37 S
    
    Regards,
    Scott Tilley
    ROBERTS CREEK 1:
    8049 ST 49.4348 -123.6685 40. Scott Tilley ROBERTS CREEK 2:
    8048 ST 49.4175 -123.6420 1. Scott Tilley
    
    
    
    
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    Message: 4
    Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2012 14:34:40 -0800
    From: Scott Tilley <sthed475@telus.net>
    Subject: Re: ST OBS 13, 14 and 15th: Drifting NOSS 3-1 and Yaogan 9/16
    	Analysis
    To: SeeSat <seesat-l@satobs.org>
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    On 12/15/2012 2:16 PM, Scott Tilley wrote:
    > 26905 01 040A   8049 G 20121215015306850 17 25 1047300+665076 37 S
    Please disregard the above obs it is erroneous.
    
    
    
    
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    Message: 5
    Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2012 23:47:16 +0000
    From: "C. Bassa" <cgbsat@gmail.com>
    Subject: CB Obs December 15, 2012
    To: Seesat-L <SeeSat-L@satobs.org>
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    There were thin clouds but they did not interfere much with the evening LEO window.
    
    07816 75 043A   4553 F 20121215174405497 17 25 0839764+684102 37 S
    07816 75 043A   4553 F 20121215174411045 17 25 0832730+695271 37 S
    07816 75 043A   4553 F 20121215174421057 17 25 0816893+720489 37 S
    10502 77 112A   4553 F 20121215171254221 17 25 0915803+681002 37 S
    10502 77 112A   4553 F 20121215171258521 17 25 0859105+662304 37 S
    10502 77 112A   4553 F 20121215171303161 17 25 0844334+642763 37 S
    13844 83 008E   4553 F 20121215171831017 17 25 0701408+545649 37 S
    13844 83 008E   4553 F 20121215171841038 17 25 0646996+525080 37 S
    13844 83 008E   4553 F 20121215171851018 17 25 0634480+504334 37 S
    13845 83 008F   4553 F 20121215175814617 17 25 0649059+634083 37 S
    13845 83 008F   4553 F 20121215175821049 17 25 0635313+614697 37 S
    13845 83 008F   4553 F 20121215175831029 17 25 0617499+584476 37 S
    13874 83 008H   4553 F 20121215173111051 17 25 0716161+595778 37 S
    13874 83 008H   4553 F 20121215173121051 17 25 0656397+574082 37 S
    23862 96 029D   4553 F 20121215174711037 17 25 0346320+580451 37 S
    23862 96 029D   4553 F 20121215174721043 17 25 0407869+572291 37 S
    23908 96 029C   4553 F 20121215183341041 17 25 0657878+725807 37 S
    23908 96 029C   4553 F 20121215183351021 17 25 0708427+702988 37 S
    23908 96 029C   4553 F 20121215183401041 17 25 0716291+680780 37 S
    26905 01 040A   4553 F 20121215180155646 17 25 0800636+621688 37 S
    26905 01 040A   4553 F 20121215180201035 17 25 0755447+612178 37 S
    26905 01 040A   4553 F 20121215180211035 17 25 0746691+593930 37 S
    26905 01 040A   4553 F 20121215180221036 17 25 0739069+575720 37 S
    26905 01 040A   4553 F 20121215180231036 17 25 0732405+561647 37 S
    26907 01 040C   4553 F 20121215180134296 17 25 0758224+620880 37 S
    26907 01 040C   4553 F 20121215180141036 17 25 0751724+605951 37 S
    26907 01 040C   4553 F 20121215180151027 17 25 0743052+591648 37 S
    26907 01 040C   4553 F 20121215180201035 17 25 0735483+573461 37 S
    26907 01 040C   4553 F 20121215180208086 17 25 0730836+562338 37 S
    28096 03 054B   4553 F 20121215173355810 17 25 0748059+685907 37 S
    28096 03 054B   4553 F 20121215173401042 17 25 0740009+680930 37 S
    28096 03 054B   4553 F 20121215173411049 17 25 0726239+663220 37 S
    28096 03 054B   4553 F 20121215173421049 17 25 0714372+645140 37 S
    28096 03 054B   4553 F 20121215173428228 17 25 0707030+633867 37 S
    37162 10 046A   4553 F 20121215182934543 17 25 0447748+550366 37 S
    37162 10 046A   4553 F 20121215182941024 17 25 0438992+561883 37 S
    37162 10 046A   4553 F 20121215182951023 17 25 0423835+581270 37 S
    99039 12 850A   4553 F 20121215174306325 17 25 0823578+702845 37 I
    99039 12 850A   4553 F 20121215174313604 17 25 0852701+694911 37 I
    99039 12 850A   4553 F 20121215174315284 17 25 0858881+693804 37 I
    
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    Setup: Watec 902H2 video, 50mm F/1.8, NTP, Nexstar SLT mount IOD format: http://www.satobs.org/position/IODformat.html
    COSPAR 4553: 53.3199N, 2.2438W, 86m (WGS84)
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    NOTES:
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    (1) As Scott Tilley noted, NOSS 3-1 (A) [26905/01040A] and (C)
        [26907/01040C] are having a family reunion. Tonight they were
        close enough to be captured together in a single frame:
        http://dl.dropbox.com/u/52579487/2012-12-15T18%3A01%3A56.055.fits.png
    
    (2) An unknown (99039) in a sun synchronous orbit was seen. The first
        point is from a very brief flash, the second two points are from a
        flare: see
        http://dl.dropbox.com/u/52579487/2012-12-15T17%3A43%3A06.089.fits.png
    
        An approximate circular orbit estimate for this object gives:
    1 99039U          12350.73836162  .00000000  00000-0  50000-4 0    09
    2 99039  98.3828   6.3239 0000000   0.0000  60.9573 14.76072211    04
    
    Regards,
       Cees
    
    
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    Message: 6
    Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2012 06:23:21 +0100
    From: Petter Aslaksen <fluorgutten@googlemail.com>
    Subject: Using a DSLR
    To: SeeSat-L@satobs.org
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     Yeah I did.
    
    Took it all the way to 10x, the moons were easily visible on the display. I did not know about the digital zoom function, but it is obviously excellent for satellite/astrophotography, so thanks a lot.
    
    Petter
    
     On Sat, Dec 15, 2012 at 10:02 PM, George Roberts <yy@gr5.org> wrote:
    
    >  Wonderful tips, tested out the live view zoom on my EOS 500D with 
    > Jupiter
    >> in focus yesterday, and it made it easy to focus very accurately.
    >>
    >
    > Did you press the + button for a digital zoom in on jupiter for extra 
    > good focusing?
    >
    > Once it's focused I stop using live view because it slows down the 
    > ability to take pictures and wastes battery power.
    >
    > - George Roberts
    >
    >
    
    
    --
     **
    *Petter*
    *31.7361?N, 6.0422?E / 63.4303?N, 10.4525?E*
    
    
    
    
    
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    *31.7361?N, 6.0422?E / 63.4303?N, 10.4525?E*
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    Message: 7
    Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2012 07:39:02 +0100
    From: Petter Aslaksen <fluorgutten@googlemail.com>
    Subject: Ofeq-5
    To: SeeSat-L@satobs.org
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    Hello all,
    
    I have used Heavens-above.com to get a feel for the satellites I am likely
    to pick up in this location, and it seems I am in a prime location for
    spotting the Ofeq-5.
    
    I have tried looking for and photographing Ofeq-5 two evenings in a row,
    without success. Yesterday it was even supposed to have a visible pass
    close to zenith, but I got nothing, even when photographing wide-angle
    continuous 5-second exposures 5 minutes before and after the anticipated
    pass.
    
    I see the elsets are old. Any suggestions on what to do? Picking up a
    retrograde satellite with my shotgun photograpy approach should be
    feasible, right?
    
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    *31.7361?N, 6.0422?E / 63.4303?N, 10.4525?E*
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    Message: 8
    Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2012 23:35:28 -0800
    From: "Rick Baldridge" <rickbaldridge@comcast.net>
    Subject: High altitude unknown
    To: "SeeSat-L" <seesat-l@satobs.org>
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    Put together a time-lapse video tonight of the Geminid Meteor Shower, I
    noticed a VERY slow moving object near the Pleiades - evidently a very high
    altitude satellite.  
    
     
    
    Video is at:   http://youtu.be/By7kMWIRxvg    Satellite appears at the 1:07
    mark on the video -- just below the Pleiades, west of the Hyades heading SW
    to NE.  Attained about mag 5.0 from rough measurements.
    
     
    
    My location 37.262, -121.977 Alt 72m the object becomes visible at 10:59pm
    PST December 13th 2012  (06:59 UT Dec 14) and is last visible at 11:05pm.
    Object shows on 24 frames I took at 15 second intervals (6 minutes).  
    
     
    
    Video is rendered 2 frames (1/15 sec) per 15 second photo, or a 225 time
    speed increase from normal.  (Meteors do show up as very brief flashes.)
    
     
    
    Can someone ID this?  Thanks in advance.
    
     
    
     
    
     
    
    Rick Baldridge
    
    Campbell, CA
    
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    Message: 9
    Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2012 10:29:28 +0000
    From: "C. Bassa" <cgbsat@gmail.com>
    Subject: Re: High altitude unknown
    To: seesat-l@satobs.org
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    Hi Rick,
    
    This looks to be NAVSTAR 39 [24320/96056A], which you saw just before it 
    went into eclipse at 7:05UT. This is a GPS satellite and was about 21800 
    km distant at the time.
    
    It is known to flash; Marco Langbroek observed this satellite earlier 
    this year:
    http://sattrackcam.blogspot.co.uk/2012/06/flashing-gps-satellite-navstar-39-usa.html
    
    Regards,
        Cees
    
    
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    Message: 10
    Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2012 11:30:04 +0000
    From: "C. Bassa" <cgbsat@gmail.com>
    Subject: Re: Ofeq-5
    To: seesat-l@satobs.org
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    Hi Petter,
    
    On 16/12/12 06:39, Petter Aslaksen wrote:
    > I see the elsets are old. Any suggestions on what to do? Picking up a
    > retrograde satellite with my shotgun photograpy approach should be
    > feasible, right?
    
    It is certainly feasible! It depends on how wide your field of view is 
    and how sensitive your camera and lens are. In an earlier post you 
    mentioned owning a 50mm F/1.4; this would be a good lens to use as it is 
    both very sensitive and has a large field of view.
    
    As for finding Ofeq-5, this satellite has not been seen for 630 days so 
    the orbital elements will no longer be accurate (both because of drag, 
    but also because of possible maneuvers). To find Ofeq-5 you will have to 
    perform a planar search. See 
    http://www.satobs.org/seesat/Jun-2005/0205.html for an explanation.
    
    To illustrate that post, here are 5 plots showing the movement of the 
    Ofeq 5 plane from your location at 31.7361N, 6.0422E for yesterday evening.
    http://dl.dropbox.com/u/52579487/1700.png
    http://dl.dropbox.com/u/52579487/1730.png
    http://dl.dropbox.com/u/52579487/1800.png
    http://dl.dropbox.com/u/52579487/1830.png
    http://dl.dropbox.com/u/52579487/1900.png
    
    Each of the numbered yellow/gray lines is prediction for an object in 
    the Ofeq 5 plane but with a different mean anomaly (the number indicates 
    the mean anomaly). The length of the line indicates the movement of that 
    object over the next 60s. When the line is yellow the object is 
    illuminated by the Sun; gray lines indicate they are in the shadow of 
    the Earth and hence not visible.
    
    To preform a planar search you will have to track the illuminated part 
    of the plane. Depending on the field of view you may have to reposition 
    your camera as often as every 10 or 15 minutes.
    
    I hope these suggestions make sense.
    
    Regards,
        Cees
    
    
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