Well I missed out on a fix tonite, but its still within a minute or so of the predictions and the second pass tonite, peaking at 30 deg altitude in West( 1334UT Jan 1) it was tumbling between invisiblity in 7x50's and mag 3.5. Period about 35 seconds. So it looks like its the rocket, or the payload and the rocket still stuck together, and presumably because of some problem Tony Beresford