KH 11-8, USA 86 and USA 116; NOSS; Top 10; Columbia

Walter Nissen (dk058@cleveland.Freenet.Edu)
Wed, 10 Jul 1996 08:53:07 -0400

> Date: Tue Apr 30 07:28:44 1996 
> From: thomsona@netcom.com (Allen Thomson) 
> Subject: KH 11-8, USA 86, 116 
 
>    Could someone please summarize the status of observations and 
> non-observations of KH 11-8, USA 86 and USA 116?  As I understand it, 
 
I want to thank each of the numerous respondents to my 960604 message, 
#2553 in the SeeSat archive, on this topic, who filled in numerous gaps in 
my understanding, and even with good humor. 
 
If this message seems somewhat repetitive, perhaps the tagline will go 
some way toward explaining it. 
 
When Allen Thomson's question appeared, I was hopeful that it would 
receive a nice clear answer.  No such luck. 
 
This table is drawn in significant part from Mike McCants' QSMG9604.ZIP 
and Rainer Kracht's message, SeeSat-L #1220, both available from the 
SeeSat-L archive: 
 
                      preferred 
                      vulgar 
                      name                       McCants   Eberst  std 
cat #  cospar    USA  KH         status          abs mag    Kracht  mag   ld 
15423  84-122 A    6  11-6       out of orbit    3.        4.09 +/- .06  339 
18441  87- 90 A   27  11-7       out of orbit    ??        4.20 +/- .16  299 
19625  88- 99 A   33  11-8       out of orbit??  3.        3.98 +/- .07  311 
20516  90- 19 B   53  12-1??     ??              ??       (5.05 ??)     ( 59) 
22251  92- 83 A   86  11-9       in orbit        ??        5.05 +/- .10  333 
                      or 12-2?? 
23728  95- 66 A  116  11-10,     in orbit        ??        ??            339 
                      or 12-3?? 
xxxxx??  ??       ??             ??              ??        presumably not yet 
 
ld  is  January launch date 
 
Note:  88- 99 A has not been observed since 960512 and is presumed 
deorbited before 960521. 
(??  This is how I interpret the info I have received ??) 
 
This table is substantially revised, but still has lots of question marks. 
 
Is there a consensus supporting the erasure of any of these question 
marks?  I would be most appreciative.  (Mike and Rainer, you are your own 
consensus, and I would like to know what you know about these and also 
about the new NOSS cluster:  Is it faint, suggesting a possible name of 
NOSS 3-1?) 
 
Thanks to all. 
 
Cheers. 
 
Walter Nissen                           dk058@cleveland.freenet.edu 
 
P.S.  If "KH 9-17 ELINT" is not a KH, shouldn't its vulgar name be 
"ELINT (KH 9-17)" or something like that?  Or am I the one with the 
unrealistic expectations for vulgar names?  Neither of these names is as 
short as the 11-character limit which has been noted (but not 
standardized?). 
 
P.P.S.  Re: Top 10 
Helios 1A r = 23608 = 95- 33 D and the NOSS r = 23863 = 96- 29 B(?) are 
currently under suspicion, possibly leading to their inclusion in my 
Top 41 (43?), both having recently been observed at mag 0.  23931 has been 
deleted (down to 40, then), but was a brilliant, beautiful, stirring sight 
as she underscored the Moon and Saturn in the pre-dawn sky here, only 2 
revs prior to landing at KSC. 
 
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