On Wed, 24 Jul 1996, Lew Gramer wrote: > > Just curious about what spawned this particular personal attack? Is this the > kind of scrutiny most newer observers are generally subjected to? (For the > record, I'm a regular meteor observer, and I don't know my long and lat to > better than an arcminute either! I guess it's more important for sat obs... ?) I thought I'd jump in here and give some infornmation about my sat seeing. I am NOT and I repeat NOT very time/location acurate. I am locate at (or make that near) 40.3" north and 76.3" west. That is the closest I have figured it out. I do not carry a watch. When I watch for satilites, I often have my scanner on to the local police freqs, listning to their time. I do have computers set to the time from tick.usno.navy.mil, so I have a good idea of what clocks (and the police stations) are close. I of course cannot get accurate technical information on a sat pass with such rough numbers. That has not been my aim yet. I am intruged(sp) by the accuracey some of the seesaters use, and I might some day join them. What can I see? Mir and shuttles most certianly. I have see a few noss trios, and one time I tried for Tips. That time was 5UTC July 21 on a 50 some elv. pass in the west. After searching for a number of minutes I picked it up just before max elv. I did loss it for a time, but then found it again and followed it till shadow entry less than 20 degree off the horizon. Cool site it was! I used 10 X 50 binoculars. The sky was very clear, for a summer night in the northeastern US. I wrote this message to let others know that they do not have to feel belittled because they do not have there location and such down to the smallest measurement. I find sat tracking an enjoyable hobby, as I do it, and I am sure other find it the same way. I want to thank the more technical minded for the accurate elements they supply over seesat-l. With out them us "not so technicals" would not have it as easy. Seesat-l has very amatuar to highly experianced watcher. I hope both can find seesat-l an informative mailing list. I am for the most part satisfied with the content of this list, and look forward for more. Clears sky, bright sats Floyd Weaver P.O. BOX 280 FREDRICKSBURG, PA. 17026 E-Mail fweaver@nbn.net Web page http://users.nbn.net/~fweaver