I thought I got the URL for the spysat article from this mailing list, but so many haven't heard of it that I guess I got it somewhere else. Here's the URL for the article I mentioned regarding the stealth sats: http://online.guardian.co.uk/pic.html It's from the English newspaper, "The Guardian". The article is about how India and Pakistan avoided American spy satellites while preparing for their recent underground nuclear tests. The lines about four spy satellites vanishing were a minor aside in the main story. It's quite interesting and I recommend reading it. I have no idea what the paper's policies are as far as liberal/conservative/etc are, but the article seems to be well founded. I haven't browsed around on the site to see what else they've printed, but anybody who wants to can do so. I've since had messages saying that there's no such thing as stealth tactics for satellites, but I highly doubt this. I'm sure there are plenty of things that can be done to make satellites harder to spot both visually and via radar. I was just hoping that someone on this list would have some suggestions of how to do it. Dave Mullenix