Thanks to Philip Clarke for providing one means around the OIG problem. As a very casual computer user but avid satellite observer, I am wondering what this will mean for others like myself, whom I suspect may be the majority. I tried downloading the gbYYMMDD.zip file from Dave Ransom's site and came up with almost 10,000 elsets. The file is useless for SatSpy 2.5, in that the program relies on the common name for identification and comes up with a blank listing of satellites (since the file uses no common names). I haven't yet memorized numerical designators for all the 10,000 sats. Many of us go strictly by the common name and only use the NORAD or Internatl. designation if reference is made here only to that, and to see the launch date. Even if the names appeared, the time to produce usable pass data would be increased by a factor of at least 5. I hope what you are all talking about is a method of producing a molczan-size file with common names that will also be useful to casual observers like myself. 100 elsets is too small a file, but 10,000 is too big. I'm glad to see that those who are capable are doing some constructive thinking to solve the upcoming problem. As for my thoughts on NASA/OIG, I will keep that to myself, but will certainly join Bart in lending my name to a petition or other communication to OIG. Thanks to all who provide us casual observers with the usable data! Eric Vondra Wampum, PA, USA