Re: US-Russian Crew Launching to Space Station in Record Time

From: Bill Bard (
Date: Thu Mar 07 2013 - 19:11:41 UTC

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    The sentence I was referring to was 
    "The new travel scheme has been previously successfully tested with unmanned Russian Progress cargo ships, but never before with manned spacecraft."
    I was replying to your statement regarding docking
    "Gemini 11 demonstrated a first orbit docking, in fact."
    In fact, that was Gemini 8. Gemini 6 and 8 both occurred before the Gemini 11 flight you mentioned.
    On Mar 7, 2013, at 1:36 PM, Chris Jones <> wrote:
    > On Thu 07 Mar 2013 12:35:48 PM EST Bill Bard <> wrote:
    >> The sentence itself doesn't say that which can cause confusion.
    > "The next crew to launch toward the International Space Station will make the
    > trip faster than any astronauts before them, thanks to a new docking plan
    > being tested this month."  I interpret "the trip" to mean the trip of a crew
    > launched toward the ISS, and the statement is true.
    >> I believe Gemini 8 is the first to do it in 1966 in 6.5 hours. I had
    >> trouble finding any record of the USSR or Russians doing it previously
    >> quicker than 1 day. Do you have any specifics?
    > Since it says "launched toward" rather than "to", one could reasonably say
    > it's talking about rendezvous rather than rendezvous and docking.  If so,
    > then Gemini 6's rendezvous with Gemini 7 predates Gemini 8's rendezvous and
    > docking with its Agena target by about 3 months.
    > If you mean a manned docking in less than one day, I can't find a Soviet
    > example.  The two automatic dockings of unmanned Soyuz spacecraft (flying
    > under Kosmos names, Kosmos 186 & 188, and numbers 212 and 213) both took
    > place on the first orbit of the second (target) spacecraft.  The manned Soyuz
    > 3 rendezvoused with the unmanned Soyuz 2 on Soyuz 3's first orbit, but failed
    > to dock.  All of the other docking flights (with crews) have taken one or two
    > days.
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