Re: Report: The Future of the Night Sky – Light Pollution from Satellites

From: Brad Young via Seesat-l <>
Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2020 18:07:45 +0000 (UTC)
As odd as it is for me to be serious about something, we really need to, as an astronomy community, cut the crap here. Of course, I am preaching to the choir here, but also in other venues; amateur astronomy has been bit by the hits bug or something. Everything is a Super Wolf Blood Moon Mars Transit of the Eclipsed Comet. I know the media is the root problem, but when we insist on giving them the ammo, we can't be surprised when the gun fires.

Specifically, several of us here, and I have heard that many others in other forums, are gathering real data, and generating real information. As we disseminate this, it is important that we not sensationalize the effect of these satellites. They are coming. We can provide Elon with data that may help him engineer himself out of a bad deal. But "clown"ing or not, playing Chicken Little is not helping. Imaging, observing, and reporting, to Seesat, TruSat, and the media with real conclusions based on actual data does. 

The clowns usually hush once the weather gets warmer. But the worry is out there and with [TOS EDIT] illness, this is really bad time to be hysterical or grandiose. As I told the attendees at a talk on TruSat last Friday, I don't want you to go home and have nightmares about satellites falling. I did, however, remind them that 1 of (I believe) only 2 documented cases of anyone being hit by junk was (

"A woman in Turley, Oklahoma, got a noggin-knock in January 1997 when she was struck with a lightweight fragment of charred woven material. She was not injured. The sky junk was identified as debris from a Delta 2 booster, which reentered the Earth's atmosphere on Jan. 22, 1997. Other debris from that booster included a steel propellant tank and a titanium pressure sphere."

Turley is a suburb of Tulsa; my wife works at a school there.

Brad Young PE
Advisory Consultant
ConsenSys Space
Oberwerk 8 x 40 Mariner binoculars
Meade ETX-125 
22" f/4.2 UC Obsession
COSPAR 8336 =TULSA1 +36.139208,-95.983429 660ft, 201m
COSPAR 8335 =TULSA2 +35.8311  -96.1411 1083ft, 330m
Remote Imaging:
MPC I89 COSPAR 7777 38.165653 -2.326735 5150ft, 1650m Nerpio, Spain
MPC Q62 COSPAR 7778 -31.2733 149.0644 3400ft, 1122m Siding Spring, NSW, Australia 
MPC H06 COSPAR 7779 32.92 -105.528 7298ft, 2225m Mayhill, New Mexico USA 
MPC 323 COSPAR 7782 -32.008 116.135 984ft, 300m Perth, WA, Australia

On Thursday, March 12, 2020, 12:46:16 PM CDT, Thomas Goodey via Seesat-l <> wrote: 

On 12 Mar 2020 at 10:35, Edward Zigoy via Seesat-l wrote:

> Unbelievable, the amount of wailing and gnashing of
> teeth there is about this over at the Clowndy Night web
> site. 

That sounds like a pretty interesting and amusing website, 
if it is for real! Have you got the URL?

Thomas Goodey

The introduction of a multiplicity
of objectives into a problem not
only destroys its unity, but also
increases markedly both the
time necessary for, and the
actual personal danger involved
in, its solution.
------------ Nadreck of Palain VII

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