I just got the launch azimuth, derived from NOTAMS data and basically puts the nail in to the KH coffin. The launch is going to the SouthEast, I'll have to calculate the exact azimuth, but it's quite clearly not a sunsync launch. So best bet is a NOSS White Cloud cluster, similar to the NOSS 2-2 series which was launched from Vandenberg a couple of years ago, and to the satellites aboard the Titan IV which was lost in a launch accident a couple years after that. The later was incorrectly called Lacrosse by one source, but correctly identified as NOSS by the "New York Times" and other research. As Ted Molczan correctly deduced earlier the launch time would bisect the NOSS 2-1 and 2-2 orbital planes, and would correspond to the launch time for the satellites which were lost in the Titan IV accident precessed to this date. Philip Chien, Earth News - space writer and consultant PCHIEN@IDS.NET __ __^__ __________ | \ +---/ \---+ (========= |____\___________ +---\_____/---+ // >____)| | \__ \ \______//___ >/ |________| \ [ _____\ >|____________________\ \_______/ Roger, go at throttle up CHR$(32) the final frontier