Congratulations to Tony Beresford on your fine OBS. Besides Gary Morris' excellent Shuttle Elements mailing list, other possible sources for TLE's during this mission are these: http://shuttle.nasa.gov/sts-77/orbit/orbiter/sighting/shuttle.html http://spacelink.msfc.nasa.gov/Spacelink.Hot.Topics/ Current.Shuttle.Mission.STS-77/STS-77.Keplerian.Elements Or you can try searching for state vectors, which, thank goodness, are often accompanied by TLE's. At 960520 0852, C* 1975 6.0 2.0 0.0 5.9 1 19573U 88093A 96137.96907711 +.00000336 +00000-0 +38969-4 0 09787 2 19573 082.5294 108.4240 0022306 173.1056 187.0466 14.82264692410328 made a low, anti-solar pass about 5 degrees above Arcturus. I was astonished to catch sight of it as bright as Arcturus. It dimmed very slowly, providing ample time to gauge its mag as 0, taking almost a full minute to return to a normal mag 3 or 4. Walter Nissen firstname.lastname@example.org --- Nothing is foolproof. Fools are too ingenious.