On 30 Oct John Bayne wrote: >Can someone tell me what the first bird was? The first bird WAS Mir. At your location it reached a maximum elevation of 86 degrees (not 77) at 23:38 UTC (based on TLE's of 21 October). Something must have gone wrong with your prediction. So, the question is what the second bird was. Bruno Tilgner 100533.2016@compuserve.com