The Titan IV was launched at 2:05UT Nov. 8. The Centaur fuel dump ought to visible over almost the entire United States sometime after 4:20UT. It will 10000 miles above Arizona or Utah. Elset before 4:10UT: 1 29993U 97312.12900000 +.00000000 +00000-0 +00000-0 2 29993 55.0000 337.0000 6677630 270.0000 0.0000 2.9700000 After 4:10UT, the inclination will change to 63 and the mean motion will change to 1.98 and the eccentricity will change to about 0.72. But you can't just change those values in this elset since the epoch is wrong. It's pretty darn cloudy here. :-( Mike McCants