Hi all , After three attempts , I finally saw this bird = SEP 17 19 17 49.07 0.07 deg W of 18/iota lyrae , max +6 or +6.5 Saw also 2 others short maximas at 19 18 06.11 and 19 18 11.36 UT Not visible between in monocular 7*50 , and good sky ( mag +4 naked eye ) Was only 1.5 sec late relative to pierre s elset which I e mailed some days ago . Dan 7.3417 E +47.8033 N Cospar 2572