Decided to give the Orbcomm's another try this morning, but with the 8" telescope. It was another good elevation pass but to the south at 5:45 AM local, so the sun angle was not ideal. After seeing a large cloud threatening to move over my selected star, I re-ran Skymap for a star above Spica. That star grouping was easily found and four minutes prior to appearance, I started to move to the original point. The cloud seemed too close so I returned to the backup star. Waited and waited. Amazing that a mere minute of time can seem to take forver..but then one flashed by...then two.. and three. Finally I see all five of the leading group. Now I have to move the scope up a bit for the second group. I think I am on the right spot but not certain. Time again drags. Oh well, at least I saw five, then another flashes through the field of view, then another and YES, the 8th one goes by as well. Once again I am a semi-competent satellite observer. The magnitudes under these less than favorable conditions was in the 8.5 to 9 range. Range about 1060 km, Matson sun phase angle about 77 degrees. Perhaps someone can view these under better illumination conditions to see if they become binocular objects. Ron Lee