> My not-too-well informed speculations on faintness of Shuttle+Hubble: > > 1. Greater, possibly by 50%, distance between observer and Shuttle > than usual mission Yes, this is a factor, but not enough to render it nearly invisible to some observers. > 2. Configuration such that for some passes HST shades Shuttle and/or > Shuttle tail shades HST The Shuttle is essentially upsidedown and backwards to the direction of travel when the spacewalks are in progress. So when STS/HST passes over Texas just after sundown, both are illuminated from the dirrection of the orbiter's nose. HST is fully shadded by STS only at local high noon. > 3. HST solar panels not deployed (folded or rolled up) They are fully deployed and orriented at 90 degrees to the HST body and flat relative to the orbiter. > 4. Some passes with Shuttle's black (still black?) nose towards > observer, or the tail, with engine nozzles -- not very good > reflectors During the spacewalks, It rises over our western horizon with the engines facing us (here in Texas) and when it sets on the eastern horison the nose is pointed toward us. Other times, when there are no space walks it can be in free drift, but the past two days, the spacewalks have been in progress during visible Texas passes. So in a nutshell, none of the above reasons fully explain why some folks have been unable to see a spacecraft combination that should stand out like a sore thumb. HST alone is usually 1st magnitude during high passes, now the STS/HST combined seem much dimmer to many observers. It has to be some sort of mutual shadowing events relative to the spacecraft orientation. I'd say its a fluke peculiar to this mission. <G> Or the conspiracy theorists can now have a field day saying NASA TV is faked and in space the whole assembly has been cloaked in a black shroud to keep us from seeing that the mission is really modifying HST into a giant downward-pointing domestic spysat to track Y2K urban chaos. <G!> Robert Reeves http://www.connecti.com/~rreeves 520 Rittiman Rd. rreeves@connecti.com San Antonio, TX 210-828-9036 78209 U.S.A. 29.484N 98.440W 200 meters ----------------------------------------------------------------- Unsubscribe from SeeSat-L by sending a message with 'unsubscribe' in the SUBJECT to SeeSat-L-request@lists.satellite.eu.org http://www2.satellite.eu.org/seesat/seesatindex.html