RE: Seesat-l Digest, Vol 35, Issue 17

From: Joseph Chircop (Enigma12@Maltanet.net)
Date: Mon Dec 17 2012 - 16:47:37 UTC

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    So far I have not detected anything. 
    
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       1. Re: Ofeq-5 (Petter Aslaksen)
       2. Optical 15 Dec 2012 Part 1 (Greg Roberts)
       3. Optical 15 Dec 2012 Part 2 (Greg Roberts)
       4. Unknowns 15 Dec 2012 (Greg Roberts)
       5. Less said the better! (Greg Roberts)
       6. Re: Less said the better! (Kevin Fetter)
       7. Re: Less said the better! (Kevin Fetter)
       8. Re: Less said the better! (Greg Roberts)
       9. Re: Ofeq-5 (C. Bassa)
      10. Re: Less said the better! (ronlee@pcisys.net)
      11. RE: Seesat-l Digest, Vol 35, Issue 16 (Joseph Chircop)
      12. satobs dec 16 @ 8597 (Tony Beresford)
      13. Re: Less said the better! (wkitty42@gmail.com)
      14. North Korean Satellite (was: Re: Seesat-l Digest, Vol 35,
          Issue 16) (wkitty42@gmail.com)
      15. Re: North Korean Satellite (was: Re: Seesat-l Digest, Vol 35,
          Issue 16) (KD7RVH)
      16. 2012DEC16.OBS (Russell Eberst)
      17. Optical 16 Dec 2012 (Greg Roberts)
    
    
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    Message: 1
    Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2012 13:25:09 +0100
    From: Petter Aslaksen <fluorgutten@googlemail.com>
    Subject: Re: Ofeq-5
    To: "C. Bassa" <cgbsat@gmail.com>
    Cc: seesat-l@satobs.org
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    Thank you for your reply, trying to get my head around it, it needs a little maturation and contemplation
    
    I am stuck with my 18-200mm, 3.5-5.6f at the moment, however I will bring my 50mm next time, I bought it for indoor photos of family parties. Never thought it might be my most valuable lens for finding classified satellites!
    
    In Norway however, this one is never visible... so I guess I will have some other satellites to look for there.
    
    Thanks again!
    
    On Sun, Dec 16, 2012 at 12:30 PM, C. Bassa <cgbsat@gmail.com> wrote:
    
    > Hi Petter,
    >
    > On 16/12/12 06:39, Petter Aslaksen wrote:
    > > I see the elsets are old. Any suggestions on what to do? Picking up 
    > > a retrograde satellite with my shotgun photograpy approach should be 
    > > feasible, right?
    >
    > It is certainly feasible! It depends on how wide your field of view is 
    > and how sensitive your camera and lens are. In an earlier post you 
    > mentioned owning a 50mm F/1.4; this would be a good lens to use as it 
    > is both very sensitive and has a large field of view.
    >
    > As for finding Ofeq-5, this satellite has not been seen for 630 days 
    > so the orbital elements will no longer be accurate (both because of 
    > drag, but also because of possible maneuvers). To find Ofeq-5 you will 
    > have to perform a planar search. See 
    > http://www.satobs.org/seesat/Jun-2005/0205.html for an explanation.
    >
    > To illustrate that post, here are 5 plots showing the movement of the 
    > Ofeq 5 plane from your location at 31.7361N, 6.0422E for yesterday evening.
    > http://dl.dropbox.com/u/52579487/1700.png
    > http://dl.dropbox.com/u/52579487/1730.png
    > http://dl.dropbox.com/u/52579487/1800.png
    > http://dl.dropbox.com/u/52579487/1830.png
    > http://dl.dropbox.com/u/52579487/1900.png
    >
    > Each of the numbered yellow/gray lines is prediction for an object in 
    > the Ofeq 5 plane but with a different mean anomaly (the number 
    > indicates the mean anomaly). The length of the line indicates the 
    > movement of that object over the next 60s. When the line is yellow the 
    > object is illuminated by the Sun; gray lines indicate they are in the 
    > shadow of the Earth and hence not visible.
    >
    > To preform a planar search you will have to track the illuminated part 
    > of the plane. Depending on the field of view you may have to 
    > reposition your camera as often as every 10 or 15 minutes.
    >
    > I hope these suggestions make sense.
    >
    > Regards,
    >     Cees
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    Message: 2
    Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2012 14:38:25 +0200
    From: "Greg Roberts" <grr@telkomsa.net>
    Subject: Optical 15 Dec 2012 Part 1
    To: <seesat-l@satobs.org>
    Cc: Willie Koorts <wpk@saao.ac.za>, Mike McCants
    	<mmccants@prismnet.com>,	Ted Molczan <ssl3molcz@rogers.com>,	Pierre
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    Observations 15 Dec 2012 Part 1
    ------------------------------------
    
    Cosatrak 1 (Computerised satellite Tracking System).
    
    FLI ML8300M CCD camera with mechanical shutter + Trimble GPS
    
    Used with 135mm focal length f/2.8 TAMRON lens.
    Field of view 7.6 x 5.7 degrees.
    Images processed and measured manually.
    
    Site 0433 : Longitude 18.51294 deg East, Latitude -33.94058 deg,
    Elevation 10 metres-situated in Pinelands (Cape Town),South Africa
    
    
    FOR CLASSIFIED.TLE:
    ------------------------------------
    24680 96 072A   0433 G 20121215193450376 55 15 1051127-564250 19
    24680 96 072A   0433 G 20121215193652760 55 15 0846398-542101 19
    24680 96 072A   0433 G 20121215193929569 55 15 0550405-211007 19
    24680 96 072A   0433 G 20121215194131387 55 15 0432208+163906 19
    39025 12 071A   0433 G 20121215184806967 55 15 1104236-633822 19
    39025 12 071A   0433 G 20121215184857513 55 15 0946298-514731 19
    39025 12 071A   0433 G 20121215184917777 55 15 0930197-470928 19
    
    
    STRAYS SEEN:
    -------------------------
    24905 97 043C   0433 G 20121215194042634 55 15 0503090+041352 19  +051 05
    
    NORTH KOREAN OBJECTS:
    -----------------------------------
    KMS 3-2
    39026 12 072A   0433 G 20121215202715345 55 15 2306165-510904 19
    39026 12 072A   0433 G 20121215202756675 55 15 2346432-303903 19
    39026 12 072A   0433 G 20121215202824244 55 15 0002429-163555 19
    UNHA3 R/B
    39027 12 072B   0433 G 20121215185459772 55 15 0810217-261747 19  +075 05
    39027 12 072B   0433 G 20121215185644575 55 15 0707086-072453 19  +075 05
    39027 12 072B   0433 G 20121215185711832 55 15 0652282-014533 19  +075 05
    UNHA3 DEB
    39028 12 072C   0433 G 20121215202143595 55 15 0030012-250306 19  +100 05
    39028 12 072C   0433 G 20121215202204239 55 15 0037587-130924 19  +100 05
    
    
    NOTES:
    ----------
    (1) Purpose of observing session was to observe OTV3 and the North
        Korean objects.
    
    (2) It would appear that SPACETRACK has the KOREAN identities correct.
        The main satellite KMS 3-2 appears to be doing a regular tumble with
        a primary and secondary brightening. One bright flash to about
        mag +3 seen otherwise primary max about mag +6.5 and second maximum
        around mag +7 - +8  on high elevation western pass.
    
        The rocket appears more or less steady with small magnitude variations,
        around mag +7.5 at 10 degrees elevation in the east.
    
        Debri #39028 was sighted in four successive images when it briefly
        appeared at about mag +10 shortly after culmination high in the west.
    
        Debri #39029 was not seen at all.
    
        I will be able to observe these objects under more favourable phase
        angles over the next few days so hopefully will also see #39029.
    
        The SPACETRACK elements are accurate.
    
    (3) Now to measure the other 20 odd satellites observed :-((((( urghhhh
    
    Cheers
    Greg 
    
    
    
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    Message: 3
    Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2012 16:26:02 +0200
    From: "Greg Roberts" <grr@telkomsa.net>
    Subject: Optical 15 Dec 2012 Part 2
    To: <seesat-l@satobs.org>
    Cc: Willie Koorts <wpk@saao.ac.za>, Mike McCants
    	<mmccants@prismnet.com>,	Ted Molczan <ssl3molcz@rogers.com>,	Pierre
    	Neirinck <pierre-neirinck@wanadoo.fr>
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    Observations 15 Dec 2012 Part 2
    ------------------------------------
    
    Cosatrak 1 (Computerised satellite Tracking System).
    
    FLI ML8300M CCD camera with mechanical shutter + Trimble GPS
    
    Used with 135mm focal length f/2.8 TAMRON lens.
    Field of view 7.6 x 5.7 degrees.
    Images processed and measured manually.
    
    Site 0433 : Longitude 18.51294 deg East, Latitude -33.94058 deg,
    Elevation 10 metres-situated in Pinelands (Cape Town),South Africa
    
    FOR CLASSFD.TLE:
    -----------------------------
    11389 79 050A   0433 F 20121215195559497 55 15 1027377-513640 19
    11389 79 050A   0433 F 20121215195758125 55 15 0838001-432451 19
    11389 79 050A   0433 F 20121215195903405 55 15 0735448-315005 19
    11389 79 050A   0433 F 20121215200008466 55 15 0641399-145730 19
    28500 04 050A   0433 F 20121215214356882 55 15 0127405-083705 19
    28500 04 050A   0433 F 20121215215637970 55 15 0142003-081614 19
    28500 04 050A   0433 F 20121215220158532 55 15 0148081-080643 19
    
    
    UNKNOWN 1:
    ---------------------
    
    99990 12 849A   0433 F 20121215195606129 55 15 1049406-514749 19
    99990 12 849A   0433 F 20121215195756125 55 15 0859209-450824 19
    99990 12 849A   0433 F 20121215195802033 55 15 0852383-442058 19
    99990 12 849A   0433 F 20121215195901405 55 15 0745205-323307 19
    99990 12 849A   0433 F 20121215195936760 55 15 0708000-221157 19
    
    UNKNOWN 2 :
    ----------------
    99991 12 849B   0433 F 20121215195750239 55 15 0841147-431222 19
    99991 12 849B   0433 F 20121215195758125 55 15 0845136-430008 19
    99991 12 849B   0433 F 20121215195802033 55 15 0847437-425457 19
    
    
    NOTES:
    ----------
    (1) DEL4DEM  #28500 recovered after being lost for some time.
        Gives a brief flash every now and then. Left camera on
        expected position for about 50 minutes and on examining
        images found 10 images with a flash recorded.
    
    (2) TWO unknowns found whilst tracking AMS4 - I must be doing
        something wrong but cant find matches
    
        1st unknown was in field of view with AMS4 the entire pass
        tracked, starting as a trailer and slowly overtaking before
        disappearing in earths shadow a few seconds before AMS4, so
        looks like SSO at slightly lower altitude than AMS4. About the
        same magnitude and looked steady. If Im lucky it might be
        USA 186 which is currenly lost but that would be a pure fluke.
    
        The second unknown headed south as it crossed the ascending
        AMS4. At the time I though it might be EGS but on examining
        the images obtained the flashes are too precise/sharp and too
        regularly spaced - either 5 or 6 in the 4 second exposure.
        Magnitude around mag 7 - 8.
    
    Cheers
    Greg
    
    
    
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    Message: 4
    Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2012 16:59:43 +0200
    From: "Greg Roberts" <grr@telkomsa.net>
    Subject: Unknowns 15 Dec 2012
    To: <seesat-l@satobs.org>
    Cc: Ted Molczan <ssl3molcz@rogers.com>, Mike McCants
    	<mmccants@prismnet.com>
    Message-ID: <3AD304EFE04448269CE1A5C6CFD61D95@ASTROCOM>
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    Hi
    I knew something must be wrong!!!  Ive just  downloaded a new SPACETRACK full 
    catalog - and immediately identified the unknowns as
    HELIOS 1 B and the second WAS   EGS !!!!
    
    Now to find out why they did not show up in the full catalog I downloaded 
    yesterday!!!
    
    Sorry for false alarm ---
    Cheers
    Greg
    
    
    
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    Message: 5
    Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2012 17:14:09 +0200
    From: "Greg Roberts" <grr@telkomsa.net>
    Subject: Less said the better!
    To: <seesat-l@satobs.org>
    Message-ID: <CB3D9FBBD1C24D34A172BF90AC5B8A78@ASTROCOM>
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     Im the ******* idiot !
    
     For some reason the automatic loading of the SPACETRACK catalog into my GUIDE
     directory did not work and the file there was August 08,2012 so hence 
    satellites
     not where they should be....
    
     This must have occurred several times since August as this is an automated
     process so Ive always been using an old SPACETRACK file !
    
    The automatic loading of the Classified satellites worked so those were okay
    
     Never trust a computer - especially mine!
    
     I actually hate the ****** things  but unfortunately we need them!
    
     Cheers
    Greg
    
    
    
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    Message: 6
    Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2012 07:31:08 -0800 (PST)
    From: Kevin Fetter <kfetter@yahoo.com>
    Subject: Re: Less said the better!
    To: seesat-l@satobs.org
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    --- On Sun, 12/16/12, Greg Roberts <grr@telkomsa.net> wrote:
    
    >  For some reason the automatic loading of the SPACETRACK
    > catalog into my GUIDE
    >  directory did not work and the file there was August
    > 08,2012 so hence 
    > satellites
    >  not where they should be....
    
    
    Interesting. I didn't know there was a option in guide to do that.
    
    Me, I dowload the Full Satellite Catalog file off spacetrack, and place it into a folder called sat. I delete the old file there, then unzip the new file. I then remame the file satellite.txt, and add the classfd stuff to it. I then run guide, and it use's the catalog file. 
    
    That way I know, I am using current tle's, well except with classfd stuff.
    
    I rather be safe.
    
    
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    Message: 7
    Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2012 07:36:27 -0800 (PST)
    From: Kevin Fetter <kfetter@yahoo.com>
    Subject: Re: Less said the better!
    To: seesat-l@satobs.org
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    --- On Sun, 12/16/12, Kevin Fetter <kfetter@yahoo.com> wrote:
    
    > From: Kevin Fetter <kfetter@yahoo.com>
    > Subject: Re: Less said the better!
    > To: seesat-l@satobs.org
    > Received: Sunday, December 16, 2012, 10:31 AM
    > 
    > 
    > --- On Sun, 12/16/12, Greg Roberts <grr@telkomsa.net>
    > wrote:
    > 
    > >? For some reason the automatic loading of the
    > SPACETRACK
    > > catalog into my GUIDE
    > >? directory did not work and the file there was
    > August
    > > 08,2012 so hence 
    > > satellites
    > >? not where they should be....
    > 
    > 
    > Interesting. I didn't know there was a option in guide to do
    > that.
    
    Ah I see why I was wondering. I see where you can download the SPACETRACK
    catalog into guide. I had seen that before, but it download's off a different site
    
    www.tle.info.
    
    
    
    
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    Message: 8
    Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2012 17:58:43 +0200
    From: "Greg Roberts" <grr@telkomsa.net>
    Subject: Re: Less said the better!
    To: <kfetter@yahoo.com>
    Cc: seesat-l@satobs.org
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    Hi Kevin
    
    No its not done from inside GUIDE - I wrote a batch file that takes all the 
    element files we have and combines them to have the latest elements. It then 
    dumps this file into various directories on my PC - viz GUIDE, HEAVENSAT and 
    APEX. For some reason - yet to be investigated - it made a slip up.
    
    I guess its time I had another look at my batch file that prepares the element 
    sets.....
    
    So for the moment its operator error rather than GUIDE error :-))
    
    I think its time I retired - Im getting old and senile:-))
    
    Cheers
    Greg
    
    
    
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    Message: 9
    Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2012 18:38:02 +0000
    From: "C. Bassa" <cgbsat@gmail.com>
    Subject: Re: Ofeq-5
    To: seesat-l@satobs.org
    Message-ID: <50CE150A.2020706@gmail.com>
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    Hi Petter,
    
    On 16/12/12 12:25, Petter Aslaksen wrote:
    > I am stuck with my 18-200mm, 3.5-5.6f at the moment, however I will
    > bring my 50mm next time, I bought it for indoor photos of family
    > parties.
    
    Probably the best thing to do is to test how well your current lens 
    works. If the lens is still F/3.5 around 50mm set it to that and try to 
    catch some of the brighter classified and catalogued objects. As Greg 
    and Marco mentioned, 10s exposures at 800 ISO or higher should 
    sufficient. With these test observations you can get experience in 
    identifying the objects you see, and start measuring positions.
    
    > In Norway however, this one is never visible... so I guess I will have
    > some other satellites to look for there.
    
    At 63 deg Northern latitude you are in a good position to observe 
    classified objects in sun synchronous orbits. Some of these orbits are 
    oriented with respect to the sun such that they pass over locations 
    around local noon and local midnight. This means that for a large range 
    of latitudes the object is in the shadow on the night passes for most of 
    the year. Only in the local summer will the object be visible; we tend 
    to lose them for the rest of the year. Your position in Norway should 
    allow you to see objects in such orbits from earlier in the spring to 
    later in the fall compared to most other observers.
    
    Regards,
        Cees
    
    
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    Message: 10
    Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2012 12:11:39 -0700
    From: <ronlee@pcisys.net>
    Subject: Re: Less said the better!
    To: <seesat-l@satobs.org>
    Message-ID: <201212161911.qBGJBefv016258@smtp1.pcisys.net>
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    On tle.info, the Complete TLE file is not even close to a complete element set file.  
    
    Ron Lee
    
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    Message: 11
    Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2012 20:12:41 +0100
    From: "Joseph Chircop" <Enigma12@Maltanet.net>
    Subject: RE: Seesat-l Digest, Vol 35, Issue 16
    To: <seesat-l@satobs.org>
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    Hi all,
     while I was searching the net, for information on the download frequency for KMS 3-12 . I had found the following website on internet
    
    http://www.northkoreatech.org/2012/12/15/tracking-north-koreas-satellite/
    
    
    Regards Joseph
    
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    Today's Topics:
    
       1. ISS orbit boost on Dec 16 (Kevin Fetter)
       2. Re: Using a DSLR  (Greg Roberts)
       3. ST OBS 13, 14 and 15th: Drifting NOSS 3-1 and Yaogan 9/16
          Analysis (Scott Tilley)
       4. Re: ST OBS 13, 14 and 15th: Drifting NOSS 3-1 and Yaogan 9/16
          Analysis (Scott Tilley)
       5. CB Obs December 15, 2012 (C. Bassa)
       6. Using a DSLR (Petter Aslaksen)
       7. Ofeq-5 (Petter Aslaksen)
       8. High altitude unknown (Rick Baldridge)
       9. Re: High altitude unknown (C. Bassa)
      10. Re: Ofeq-5 (C. Bassa)
    
    
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    Message: 1
    Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2012 06:49:47 -0800 (PST)
    From: Kevin Fetter <kfetter@yahoo.com>
    Subject: ISS orbit boost on Dec 16
    To: seesat-l@satobs.org
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    http://spaceflight1.nasa.gov/realdata/sightings/SSapplications/Post/JavaSSOP/orbit/ISS/SVPOST.html
    
    TWO LINE MEAN ELEMENT SET
      
    ISS
    1 25544U 98067A   12351.42101783  .00016717  00000-0  10270-3 0  9027
    2 25544  51.6463 296.2557 0016542  45.7282 314.5224 15.52126163  6323
      
    ISS
    1 25544U 98067A   12351.61418416  .00016717  00000-0  10270-3 0  9033
    2 25544  51.6484 295.2966 0017179  49.2428 311.0212 15.51872064  6356
      
    
    
    
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    Message: 2
    Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2012 23:55:58 +0200
    From: "Greg Roberts" <grr@telkomsa.net>
    Subject: Re: Using a DSLR
    To: <W.H@mburg.org>
    Cc: seesat-l@satobs.org
    Message-ID: <E7AE77869B0B44F0B6F518DE671A8CA2@ASTROCOM>
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    Hi
    
    My Nikon D3100 DSLR has the GPS option - its an "extra" item. The camera makes note of long/latitude/altitude and time UTC but it looks like only to integer seconds.
    
    Cheers
    Greg
    
    
    
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    Message: 3
    Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2012 14:16:55 -0800
    From: Scott Tilley <sthed475@telus.net>
    Subject: ST OBS 13, 14 and 15th: Drifting NOSS 3-1 and Yaogan 9/16
    	Analysis
    To: SeeSat <seesat-l@satobs.org>
    Message-ID: <50CCF6D7.4040707@telus.net>
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    NOSS 3-1 (A) and (C) are experiencing a family reunion presently.  The two s/c are very close together as NOSS 3-1 (C) drifts by relative to NOSS 3-1 (A).  As noted by the obs below.
    
    The behaviour of modifying the MM of one of the group of NOSS type space craft is being actively used by the Yaogan 16 mission to form the trio of s/c in late January.  Yaogan 9 used the same technique at the start of its mission.
    
    It appears two of the s/c in the Yaogan 16 group maneuvered to sync their MM soon after launch. The other increased its and is drifting relative to the other two now and will rejoin them in about a month...
    
    This family reunion seems planned for about 0000UTC on January 6th.
    
    https://dl.dropbox.com/u/15916951/SATOBS/yaogan_commissioning.pdf
    
    Dec 13th:
    28096 03 054B   8049 G 20121213025518966 17 25 1102753+695609 37 E
    28096 03 054B   8049 G 20121213025523938 17 25 1052046+694666 37 S
    26907 01 040C   8049 G 20121213032341552 17 25 1200668+671223 37 S
    26907 01 040C   8049 G 20121213032348942 17 25 1145612+670319 37 S
    26907 01 040C   8049 G 20121213032357470 17 25 1128680+664571 37 S
    
    Dec 14th:
    20691 90 050C   8049 G 20121214143136363 17 25 2311332+693688 37 S
    20691 90 050C   8049 G 20121214143145473 17 25 2249983+682931 37 S
    20691 90 050C   8049 G 20121214143151860 17 25 2236823+673756 37 S
    20692 90 050D   8049 G 20121214143309608 17 25 2330195+693215 37 S
    20692 90 050D   8049 G 20121214143316177 17 25 2313574+685133 37 S
    20692 90 050D   8049 G 20121214143325585 17 25 2252336+674457 37 S
    20692 90 050D   8049 G 20121214143331911 17 25 2239704+665536 37 S
    20642 90 050E   8049 G 20121214143510056 17 25 2323528+700165 37 S
    20642 90 050E   8049 G 20121214143515730 17 25 2309424+692412 37 S
    20642 90 050E   8049 G 20121214143526477 17 25 2245728+680409 37 S
    
    Dec 15th:
    28096 03 054B   8049 G 20121215012530667 17 25 1021378+681315 37 S
    28096 03 054B   8049 G 20121215012537588 17 25 1007944+680075 37 S
    28096 03 054B   8049 G 20121215012547547 17 25 0949096+673513 37 S
    28096 03 054B   8049 G 20121215012555737 17 25 0934417+670813 37 S
    26905 01 040A   8049 G 20121215015306850 17 25 1047300+665076 37 S
    26905 01 040A   8049 G 20121215015311526 17 25 1038121+663849 37 S
    26907 01 040C   8049 G 20121215015306885 17 25 1048432+664037 37 S
    26907 01 040C   8049 G 20121215015311120 17 25 1040156+663011 37 S
    26905 01 040A   8049 G 20121215015314942 17 25 1031749+662803 37 S
    
    Regards,
    Scott Tilley
    ROBERTS CREEK 1:
    8049 ST 49.4348 -123.6685 40. Scott Tilley ROBERTS CREEK 2:
    8048 ST 49.4175 -123.6420 1. Scott Tilley
    
    
    
    
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    Message: 4
    Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2012 14:34:40 -0800
    From: Scott Tilley <sthed475@telus.net>
    Subject: Re: ST OBS 13, 14 and 15th: Drifting NOSS 3-1 and Yaogan 9/16
    	Analysis
    To: SeeSat <seesat-l@satobs.org>
    Message-ID: <50CCFB00.6080003@telus.net>
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    On 12/15/2012 2:16 PM, Scott Tilley wrote:
    > 26905 01 040A   8049 G 20121215015306850 17 25 1047300+665076 37 S
    Please disregard the above obs it is erroneous.
    
    
    
    
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    Message: 5
    Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2012 23:47:16 +0000
    From: "C. Bassa" <cgbsat@gmail.com>
    Subject: CB Obs December 15, 2012
    To: Seesat-L <SeeSat-L@satobs.org>
    Message-ID:
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    There were thin clouds but they did not interfere much with the evening LEO window.
    
    07816 75 043A   4553 F 20121215174405497 17 25 0839764+684102 37 S
    07816 75 043A   4553 F 20121215174411045 17 25 0832730+695271 37 S
    07816 75 043A   4553 F 20121215174421057 17 25 0816893+720489 37 S
    10502 77 112A   4553 F 20121215171254221 17 25 0915803+681002 37 S
    10502 77 112A   4553 F 20121215171258521 17 25 0859105+662304 37 S
    10502 77 112A   4553 F 20121215171303161 17 25 0844334+642763 37 S
    13844 83 008E   4553 F 20121215171831017 17 25 0701408+545649 37 S
    13844 83 008E   4553 F 20121215171841038 17 25 0646996+525080 37 S
    13844 83 008E   4553 F 20121215171851018 17 25 0634480+504334 37 S
    13845 83 008F   4553 F 20121215175814617 17 25 0649059+634083 37 S
    13845 83 008F   4553 F 20121215175821049 17 25 0635313+614697 37 S
    13845 83 008F   4553 F 20121215175831029 17 25 0617499+584476 37 S
    13874 83 008H   4553 F 20121215173111051 17 25 0716161+595778 37 S
    13874 83 008H   4553 F 20121215173121051 17 25 0656397+574082 37 S
    23862 96 029D   4553 F 20121215174711037 17 25 0346320+580451 37 S
    23862 96 029D   4553 F 20121215174721043 17 25 0407869+572291 37 S
    23908 96 029C   4553 F 20121215183341041 17 25 0657878+725807 37 S
    23908 96 029C   4553 F 20121215183351021 17 25 0708427+702988 37 S
    23908 96 029C   4553 F 20121215183401041 17 25 0716291+680780 37 S
    26905 01 040A   4553 F 20121215180155646 17 25 0800636+621688 37 S
    26905 01 040A   4553 F 20121215180201035 17 25 0755447+612178 37 S
    26905 01 040A   4553 F 20121215180211035 17 25 0746691+593930 37 S
    26905 01 040A   4553 F 20121215180221036 17 25 0739069+575720 37 S
    26905 01 040A   4553 F 20121215180231036 17 25 0732405+561647 37 S
    26907 01 040C   4553 F 20121215180134296 17 25 0758224+620880 37 S
    26907 01 040C   4553 F 20121215180141036 17 25 0751724+605951 37 S
    26907 01 040C   4553 F 20121215180151027 17 25 0743052+591648 37 S
    26907 01 040C   4553 F 20121215180201035 17 25 0735483+573461 37 S
    26907 01 040C   4553 F 20121215180208086 17 25 0730836+562338 37 S
    28096 03 054B   4553 F 20121215173355810 17 25 0748059+685907 37 S
    28096 03 054B   4553 F 20121215173401042 17 25 0740009+680930 37 S
    28096 03 054B   4553 F 20121215173411049 17 25 0726239+663220 37 S
    28096 03 054B   4553 F 20121215173421049 17 25 0714372+645140 37 S
    28096 03 054B   4553 F 20121215173428228 17 25 0707030+633867 37 S
    37162 10 046A   4553 F 20121215182934543 17 25 0447748+550366 37 S
    37162 10 046A   4553 F 20121215182941024 17 25 0438992+561883 37 S
    37162 10 046A   4553 F 20121215182951023 17 25 0423835+581270 37 S
    99039 12 850A   4553 F 20121215174306325 17 25 0823578+702845 37 I
    99039 12 850A   4553 F 20121215174313604 17 25 0852701+694911 37 I
    99039 12 850A   4553 F 20121215174315284 17 25 0858881+693804 37 I
    
    ----------------------------------------------------------------
    Setup: Watec 902H2 video, 50mm F/1.8, NTP, Nexstar SLT mount IOD format: http://www.satobs.org/position/IODformat.html
    COSPAR 4553: 53.3199N, 2.2438W, 86m (WGS84)
    ------------------------------------------------------------------
    
    NOTES:
    ------
    
    (1) As Scott Tilley noted, NOSS 3-1 (A) [26905/01040A] and (C)
        [26907/01040C] are having a family reunion. Tonight they were
        close enough to be captured together in a single frame:
        http://dl.dropbox.com/u/52579487/2012-12-15T18%3A01%3A56.055.fits.png
    
    (2) An unknown (99039) in a sun synchronous orbit was seen. The first
        point is from a very brief flash, the second two points are from a
        flare: see
        http://dl.dropbox.com/u/52579487/2012-12-15T17%3A43%3A06.089.fits.png
    
        An approximate circular orbit estimate for this object gives:
    1 99039U          12350.73836162  .00000000  00000-0  50000-4 0    09
    2 99039  98.3828   6.3239 0000000   0.0000  60.9573 14.76072211    04
    
    Regards,
       Cees
    
    
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    Message: 6
    Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2012 06:23:21 +0100
    From: Petter Aslaksen <fluorgutten@googlemail.com>
    Subject: Using a DSLR
    To: SeeSat-L@satobs.org
    Message-ID:
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     Yeah I did.
    
    Took it all the way to 10x, the moons were easily visible on the display. I did not know about the digital zoom function, but it is obviously excellent for satellite/astrophotography, so thanks a lot.
    
    Petter
    
     On Sat, Dec 15, 2012 at 10:02 PM, George Roberts <yy@gr5.org> wrote:
    
    >  Wonderful tips, tested out the live view zoom on my EOS 500D with 
    > Jupiter
    >> in focus yesterday, and it made it easy to focus very accurately.
    >>
    >
    > Did you press the + button for a digital zoom in on jupiter for extra 
    > good focusing?
    >
    > Once it's focused I stop using live view because it slows down the 
    > ability to take pictures and wastes battery power.
    >
    > - George Roberts
    >
    >
    
    
    --
     **
    *Petter*
    *31.7361?N, 6.0422?E / 63.4303?N, 10.4525?E*
    
    
    
    
    
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    *31.7361?N, 6.0422?E / 63.4303?N, 10.4525?E*
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    Message: 7
    Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2012 07:39:02 +0100
    From: Petter Aslaksen <fluorgutten@googlemail.com>
    Subject: Ofeq-5
    To: SeeSat-L@satobs.org
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    Hello all,
    
    I have used Heavens-above.com to get a feel for the satellites I am likely
    to pick up in this location, and it seems I am in a prime location for
    spotting the Ofeq-5.
    
    I have tried looking for and photographing Ofeq-5 two evenings in a row,
    without success. Yesterday it was even supposed to have a visible pass
    close to zenith, but I got nothing, even when photographing wide-angle
    continuous 5-second exposures 5 minutes before and after the anticipated
    pass.
    
    I see the elsets are old. Any suggestions on what to do? Picking up a
    retrograde satellite with my shotgun photograpy approach should be
    feasible, right?
    
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    *31.7361?N, 6.0422?E / 63.4303?N, 10.4525?E*
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    Message: 8
    Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2012 23:35:28 -0800
    From: "Rick Baldridge" <rickbaldridge@comcast.net>
    Subject: High altitude unknown
    To: "SeeSat-L" <seesat-l@satobs.org>
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    Put together a time-lapse video tonight of the Geminid Meteor Shower, I
    noticed a VERY slow moving object near the Pleiades - evidently a very high
    altitude satellite.  
    
     
    
    Video is at:   http://youtu.be/By7kMWIRxvg    Satellite appears at the 1:07
    mark on the video -- just below the Pleiades, west of the Hyades heading SW
    to NE.  Attained about mag 5.0 from rough measurements.
    
     
    
    My location 37.262, -121.977 Alt 72m the object becomes visible at 10:59pm
    PST December 13th 2012  (06:59 UT Dec 14) and is last visible at 11:05pm.
    Object shows on 24 frames I took at 15 second intervals (6 minutes).  
    
     
    
    Video is rendered 2 frames (1/15 sec) per 15 second photo, or a 225 time
    speed increase from normal.  (Meteors do show up as very brief flashes.)
    
     
    
    Can someone ID this?  Thanks in advance.
    
     
    
     
    
     
    
    Rick Baldridge
    
    Campbell, CA
    
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    Message: 9
    Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2012 10:29:28 +0000
    From: "C. Bassa" <cgbsat@gmail.com>
    Subject: Re: High altitude unknown
    To: seesat-l@satobs.org
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    Hi Rick,
    
    This looks to be NAVSTAR 39 [24320/96056A], which you saw just before it 
    went into eclipse at 7:05UT. This is a GPS satellite and was about 21800 
    km distant at the time.
    
    It is known to flash; Marco Langbroek observed this satellite earlier 
    this year:
    http://sattrackcam.blogspot.co.uk/2012/06/flashing-gps-satellite-navstar-39-usa.html
    
    Regards,
        Cees
    
    
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    Message: 10
    Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2012 11:30:04 +0000
    From: "C. Bassa" <cgbsat@gmail.com>
    Subject: Re: Ofeq-5
    To: seesat-l@satobs.org
    Message-ID: <50CDB0BC.4060102@gmail.com>
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    Hi Petter,
    
    On 16/12/12 06:39, Petter Aslaksen wrote:
    > I see the elsets are old. Any suggestions on what to do? Picking up a
    > retrograde satellite with my shotgun photograpy approach should be
    > feasible, right?
    
    It is certainly feasible! It depends on how wide your field of view is 
    and how sensitive your camera and lens are. In an earlier post you 
    mentioned owning a 50mm F/1.4; this would be a good lens to use as it is 
    both very sensitive and has a large field of view.
    
    As for finding Ofeq-5, this satellite has not been seen for 630 days so 
    the orbital elements will no longer be accurate (both because of drag, 
    but also because of possible maneuvers). To find Ofeq-5 you will have to 
    perform a planar search. See 
    http://www.satobs.org/seesat/Jun-2005/0205.html for an explanation.
    
    To illustrate that post, here are 5 plots showing the movement of the 
    Ofeq 5 plane from your location at 31.7361N, 6.0422E for yesterday evening.
    http://dl.dropbox.com/u/52579487/1700.png
    http://dl.dropbox.com/u/52579487/1730.png
    http://dl.dropbox.com/u/52579487/1800.png
    http://dl.dropbox.com/u/52579487/1830.png
    http://dl.dropbox.com/u/52579487/1900.png
    
    Each of the numbered yellow/gray lines is prediction for an object in 
    the Ofeq 5 plane but with a different mean anomaly (the number indicates 
    the mean anomaly). The length of the line indicates the movement of that 
    object over the next 60s. When the line is yellow the object is 
    illuminated by the Sun; gray lines indicate they are in the shadow of 
    the Earth and hence not visible.
    
    To preform a planar search you will have to track the illuminated part 
    of the plane. Depending on the field of view you may have to reposition 
    your camera as often as every 10 or 15 minutes.
    
    I hope these suggestions make sense.
    
    Regards,
        Cees
    
    
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    Message: 12
    Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2012 09:09:08 +1030
    From: Tony Beresford <dberesford@adam.com.au>
    Subject: satobs dec 16 @ 8597
    To: SeeSat-L@satobs.org
    Message-ID: <7.0.0.16.2.20121217090721.037af2e8@adam.com.au>
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    satobs.org/position/IODformat.html explains coding
    
    24680 96 072A   8597 G 20121216113721600 27 25 0522600-024700 48 S+040 05
    
    Tony Beresford Cospar 8597 -34.9638 138.6333E 100m asl
    
    
    
    
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    Message: 13
    Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2012 21:31:04 -0500
    From: "wkitty42@gmail.com" <wkitty42@gmail.com>
    Subject: Re: Less said the better!
    To: seesat-l@satobs.org
    Message-ID: <50CE83E8.9000608@gmail.com>
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    On 12/16/2012 14:11, ronlee@pcisys.net wrote:
    > On tle.info, the Complete TLE file is not even close to a complete element set file.
    
    IIRC, their TLE lists are essentially the celestrak.com lists... i don't know 
    when tle.info updates them or where they are pulled from, though...
    
    
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    Message: 14
    Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2012 21:41:49 -0500
    From: "wkitty42@gmail.com" <wkitty42@gmail.com>
    Subject: North Korean Satellite (was: Re: Seesat-l Digest, Vol 35,
    	Issue 16)
    To: seesat-l@satobs.org
    Message-ID: <50CE866D.7040304@gmail.com>
    Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed
    
    
    
    NOTE: i've changed the subject line to something more sensible ;)
    
    
    On 12/16/2012 14:12, Joseph Chircop wrote:
    > Hi all,
    >   while I was searching the net, for information on the download frequency for KMS 3-12 . I had found the following website on internet
    >
    > http://www.northkoreatech.org/2012/12/15/tracking-north-koreas-satellite/
    
    interesting read there... not much more than we already knew but still 
    interesting...
    
    i'm wondering if there are any other HAMs on this list who may be listening to 
    see if they can detect the bird... personally, i'm suspecting that it is 
    inoperable but no one will know for sure unless some radio traffic is picked up 
    from it...
    
    >
    >
    > Regards Joseph
    
    [ TRIM digest body :/ ]
    
    
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    Message: 15
    Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2012 20:45:31 -0800
    From: KD7RVH <kd7rvh@gmail.com>
    Subject: Re: North Korean Satellite (was: Re: Seesat-l Digest, Vol 35,
    	Issue 16)
    To: SeeSat-L@satobs.org
    Message-ID:
    	<CAMJFjD0mPRoTOsgVS=Ufdo-+gPoZkfDsCWfkSJm2-AvKsUkrag@mail.gmail.com>
    Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
    
    I just had a 79 degree pass and heard nothing on 468.0, 468.25, or
    479.0 MHz.  I either couldn't pull it out of the noise or it's not
    there.
    
    > i'm wondering if there are any other HAMs on this list who may be listening to
    > see if they can detect the bird... personally, i'm suspecting that it is
    > inoperable but no one will know for sure unless some radio traffic is picked up
    > from it...
    
    
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    Message: 16
    Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2012 08:28:13 +0000
    From: Russell Eberst <eberst@blueyonder.co.uk>
    Subject: 2012DEC16.OBS
    To: Ted Molczan <tedmolczan@rogers.com>,	Peter Wakelin
    	<peterwakelin@talktalk.net>,	Pierre NEIRINCK
    	<pierre-neirinck@wanadoo.fr>,	Mike McCants <mmccants@prismnet.com>,
    	Greg Roberts <grr@telkomsa.net>, 	Seesat List <SeeSat-L@satobs.org>,
    	Bjoern Gimle <bjorn.gimle@gmail.com>
    Message-ID: <50CED79D.3030507@blueyonder.co.uk>
    Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
    
    
    SATOBS
    
    2420 1212 0.211 1204
    16
    0602901 171332.93 034852+310109 5.8 5.8 0 S
    0402101 172008.13 055050+554306 6.2 6.2 0 S
    7504301 172221.41 045057+551129 6.9 6.9 0 S
    8304401 172755.69 054306+500015 3.0 3.0 0 S
    0104002 172859.68 013106+585834 5.7 5.7 0 S
    8300801 173156.49 025307+510306 7.6 7.6 0 S
    7711205 173532.68 150017+715745 5.7 5.7 0 S
    7711205 173604.23 093353+702931 6.8 6.8 0 S
    7711204 174017.30 132027+720827 5.5 5.5 0 S
    1004601 174835.05 235618+320533 4.2 4.2 0 S
    8200101 175556.10 050147+465001 6.6 6.6 0 S
    7711201 175954.68 153412+520946 6.8 6.8 0 S
    7711201 180028.77 130609+625626 6.5 6.5 0 S
    9803205 180901.45 081138+603202 7.2 7.2 0 S
    8300805 182041.94 030331+635451 7.6 7.6 0 S
    9100907 182048.09 025414+641207 5.2 8.5 0 F
    999
    
    Total observations (2012): 5331
    best wishes,
    Russell Eberst
    55.9486N, 3.1383W, 150 feet = 46 metres above MSL
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
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    Message: 17
    Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2012 12:31:07 +0200
    From: "Greg Roberts" <grr@telkomsa.net>
    Subject: Optical 16 Dec 2012
    To: <seesat-l@satobs.org>
    Cc: Willie Koorts <wpk@saao.ac.za>, Mike McCants
    	<mmccants@prismnet.com>,	Ted Molczan <ssl3molcz@rogers.com>,	Pierre
    	Neirinck <pierre-neirinck@wanadoo.fr>
    Message-ID: <42625000815747DF91764BA4C2FB0C9B@ASTROCOM>
    Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
    	reply-type=original
    
    Observations 16 Dec 2012 Part 1
    ------------------------------------
    
    Cosatrak 1 (Computerised satellite Tracking System).
    
    FLI ML8300M CCD camera with mechanical shutter + Trimble GPS
    
    Used with 135mm focal length f/2.8 TAMRON lens.
    Field of view 7.6 x 5.7 degrees.
    Images processed and measured manually.
    
    Site 0433 : Longitude 18.51294 deg East, Latitude -33.94058 deg,
    Elevation 10 metres-situated in Pinelands (Cape Town),South Africa
    
    FOR CLASSFD.TLE:
    ------------------------
    22639 93 026B   0433 G 20121216185712040 55 15 0435212-810643 19
    22639 93 026B   0433 G 20121216185938805 55 15 0430233-233227 19
    22639 93 026B   0433 G 20121216190159727 55 15 0440421+165536 19
    23031 94 017B   0433 G 20121216203313626 55 15 2239061-212624 19
    23031 94 017B   0433 G 20121216203430817 55 15 2106464-381002 19
    24680 96 072A   0433 G 20121216193118115 55 15 1014229-550612 19
    24680 96 072A   0433 G 20121216193412315 55 15 0710324-381016 19
    24680 96 072A   0433 G 20121216193718436 55 15 0452368+152840 19
    25725 99 023B   0433 G 20121216205246467 55 15 2336587-085025 19
    25725 99 023B   0433 G 20121216205437826 55 15 0008216-112844 19
    25725 99 023B   0433 G 20121216205849808 55 15 0126345-162621 19
    36105 09 066B   0433 G 20121216194223465 55 15 0944548-395521 19  +055 05
    36105 09 066B   0433 G 20121216194317156 55 15 0903008-332859 19
    36105 09 066B   0433 G 20121216194406512 55 15 0820253-243106 19  +045 05
    39025 12 071A   0433 G 20121216191309936 55 15 1244057-705233 19
    39025 12 071A   0433 G 20121216191329920 55 15 1123296-670922 19
    39025 12 071A   0433 G 20121216191339694 55 15 1054253-643610 19
    39025 12 071A   0433 G 20121216191413987 55 15 0951216-541434 19
    39025 12 071A   0433 G 20121216191448200 55 15 0921190-440355 19
    39025 12 071A   0433 G 20121216204731203 55 15 2106500-430422 19
    39025 12 071A   0433 G 20121216204737554 55 15 2109593-441124 19
    
    STRAYS SEEN:
    -------------------
    03346 68 069B   0433 G 20121216205849808 55 15 0125502-161838 19
    04784 70 102B   0433 G 20121216191319724 55 15 1119300-663453 19  +065 05
    12054 80 089A   0433 G 20121216191448200 55 15 0907288-375604 19
    12836 81 091B   0433 G 20121216193639316 55 15 0516058+024627 19
    16182 85 097B   0433 G 20121216194406512 55 15 0840347-252304 19
    18161 87 057B   0433 G 20121216190130356 55 15 0431293+111548 19
    19337 88 064B   0433 G 20121216191750003 55 15 1019280-543901 19
    20791 90 081D   0433 G 20121216205437826 55 15 0015363-124305 19
    24906 97 043D   0433 G 20121216201700938 55 15 1647302-733353 19
    25438 98 048B   0433 G 20121216202105370 55 15 0058223-122134 19  +052 05
    27374 02 005C   0433 G 20121216201643288 55 15 1616199-723059 19
    36835 10 038B   0433 G 20121216194926298 55 15 0038090-054902 19
    37743 11 033E   0433 G 20121216204246213 55 15 2106222-450139 19
    
    NORTH KOREAN OBJECTS:
    -------------------------
    39026 98 048B   0433 G 20121216201829640 55 15 1838280-801110 19
    39026 98 048B   0433 G 20121216202105370 55 15 0046258-152057 19
    39027 12 072B   0433 G 20121216185037998 55 15 0704546-032520 19
    39027 12 072B   0433 G 20121216202607641 55 15 0024368-095540 19
    
    NOTES:
    --------
    (1) Prime purpose of session was OTV3 and North Korean objects.
    
    (2) North Korean objects C and D not seen so must be small/faint.
        The rocket is basically steady with small variations whilst
        the primary satellite appears to have a period with maxima
        abou every 16 seconds and a secondary smaller maxima in
        between the primary maxima. No flash was seen this time.
    
    (3) I still have observations from 15 Dec 2012 to process - where
        I observed the same object on the 16th December I will not be
        processing the obs made on the 15th December.
    
    Cheers
    Greg
    
    
    
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