While I agree that a standardised format is desirable for observations, I feel that the format should be chosen to suit those that are actualy using the observations to generate elsets, does the RGO meet this criteria? Certainly fitelm and elcor use different formats. I report observations specificly in a format suggested by Mike McCants, and I would like to make life as easy as possible for those that make the time to do the analysis. It seems to me that the vast majority of positioal measurements made are not published on SeeSat, but mailed direct to various people. (Tony and I must feel safe down here in the antipodies). Some feedback from the "elset gurus" is needed here I think. Ian -- Shari & Ian Porter Syberspace Internet Services http://www.syberspace.com.au Ian's Space Page http://www.alphalink.com.au/~sharian/ Shari's Hobby Ceramics Page http://www.alphalink.com.au/~shari/shcp.htm Lat 38.3744 S Long 144.8136 E