Hello George, Ian, Jay, Walter, et al. Of course I use "fitelem" to generate new elements. But the "fitelem" observation format is not at all appropriate for any archival system of saving observations. It is also not appropriate for sending me observations of numerous different objects since I did not specify that the object number or designation must appear on each line. And it makes a lot of sense for anyone making a significant number of observations to have a "station number" for his site and to put that on every observation. So I have simple programs to transform the observations from the format I receive them in into "fitelem" format for my purposes. And I can fix that program to handle any reasonable observation format in only a few minutes. And I could certainly provide copies of such a program in source or executable form for anyone who has a need to transform the data. Ian wrote: >Certainly fitelem and elcor use different formats. I report observations The version(s) of elcor that I make available accepts a format very similar to the format for fitelem. It accepts a "weight" after the normal fitelem data. >specificly in a format suggested by Mike McCants, and I would like to >make life as easy as possible for those that make the time to do the >analysis. But if you were to start sending me a few dozen positional observations every day or week, I would quickly ask you to change to a format that had the object number or designation on each line since the fitelem format does not. >Some feedback from the "elset gurus" is needed here I think. I hope this reply will clarify that I can accept anything reasonable. Mike McCants