In message <9802138874.AA887419823@occgate.orbcomm.com>, rosenberg.eric@orbcomm.com writes > I asked my colleagues in Orbcomm's Flight Dynamics Group what objects > were really there (noting Ron's 'Orbcomm deb?') note and the response > was that there are five (5) objects: > > GFO > Orbcomm sat G1 (FM3) > Orbcomm sat G2 (FM4) > 3rd stage of Taurus rocket. > DPAF (adapter between GFO and Orbcomm) > > There is no Orbcomm debris! Many thanks for the info, Eric. I am to blame the "Orbcomm deb?" name since it's what I chose for this object in my select.tle file which Ron quoted. This file is available via the URL in my .sig and is also mirrored as ftp://ftp.satellite.eu.org/pub/sat/mirrors/pickup/select.tle The "?" implied that I was uncertain as to the identity and the name was only temporary until I was advised/persuaded/decided otherwise. However, as Philip Chien has pointed out, anything additional in orbit does indeed qualify as "debris". We can then argue as to whether it's "vulgar name" should be "Orbcomm deb", "GFO/Orbcomm deb", "GFO/Orbcomm Taurus deb", "Taurus deb", ...etc. If length of name were not an issue (but it is) I would have preferred "GFO/Orbcomm Taurus deb" since I like to identify both the payload and the rocket. However, USSPACECOM have subsequently promulgated this as "TAURUS DEB" and, with your additional info, I have changed the name in my database to "Taurus deb (DPAF)". Alan -- Alan Pickup | COSPAR site 2707: 55d53m48.7s N 3d11m51.2s W 156m asl Edinburgh | Home: alan@wingar.demon.co.uk +44 (0)131 477 9144 Scotland | SatEvo satellite page: http://www.wingar.demon.co.uk/satevo/