FWD> Tether brightness and analysis To seesat-l@iris01.plasma.mpe-garching.mpg.de CC RMN@aaocbn2.aao.gov.au Stephen Thompson wrote >In a previous life I was a variable star observer, mostly with binoculars. >I observed eclipsing binaries, cepheids and long period 'Mira type' stars. >One of the techniques that I used often was to compare the surface >brightness of the out of focus disks of stars. > >It should be possible to do the same with the tether. This would not >necessarily give the same results as photometric or CCD measurements, but a >comparison of the surface brightness of the out of focus tether with the >surface brightness of equally out of focus reference star images would >probably give reproducible results that would at least be quantified. One >pitfall of this method is that it is sensitive to the colors of stars so it >would be best to use reference stars that are about the same color as each >other, and if possible the tether. To do this right would require that all >observers use the same reference star series. Stephen's comment contains part of the truth but I'm afraid that whilst you can resolve the length of the tether there is no easy way of getting around the problem of a star being effectively 0-dimensional and the tether 1-dimensional. This is made most apparent by imagining what happens when you defocus the sky (2-dimensional); it stays the same surface brightness. The tether will thus still be intermediate between the 0-D and 2-D cases, disappearing more gradually than a star as you defocus. However there IS a way to get around this by making the tether as 0-dimensional as possible. With the tether having an intensity per unit length (actual length, not angular) one must somehow measure the total light. It is perhaps possible to condense the image of the tether to a nearly stellar point using a strongly curved convex mirror or hub-cap or reversing your binoculars. This is the same technique as used in estimating the magnitude of the eclipsed Moon. If the tether were still resolved in reversed binoculars, defocusing WOULD work, as you are then spreading the TOTAL light, not just a segment. There are several such technique used by comet observers and with some care this could produce quite reasonable results There is one other complication in analysing the brightness. As I assume the tether can be likened to a cylinder, it is thus capable of producing specular reflections with the right geometry. However such a geometry cannot occur at night if the tether is vertical. With knowledge of the surface roughness, this effect could be predicted. It is thus necessary to use the angle of the Sun relative to the specular condition in addition to the phase angle. One final thought. As the specular condition can only occur in daytime for a vertical tether, could it be bright enough to become visible? Rob McNaught Mail From: <seesat-l-request@iris01.plasma.mpe-garching.mpg.de> Rcpt To: <John_Kiffmeyer@machome.com> Received: from mpehp1.mpe-garching.mpg.de ([130.183.70.10]) by globalcenter.net with SMTP id <8097>; Thu, 14 Mar 1996 16:52:16 -0800 Received: from iris01.plasma.mpe-garching.mpg.de by mpehp1.mpe-garching.mpg.de with SMTP (1.38.193.4/16.2) id AA27504; Fri, 15 Mar 1996 00:44:40 +0100 Received: by iris01.plasma.mpe-garching.mpg.de (931110.SGI/911001.SGI) for @mpehp1.mpe-garching.mpg.de:KAllen5@aol.com id AA09723; Fri, 15 Mar 96 00:37:04 +0100 Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Mar 1996 10:38:07 +1100 (EST) Date: Fri, 15 Mar 1996 10:38:07 +1100 (EST) From: "Robert H. McNaught, Anglo-Australian Observatory" <RMN@aaocbn2.aao.gov.au> To: seesat-l@iris01.plasma.mpe-garching.mpg.de CC: RMN@aaocbn2.aao.gov.au Message-Id: <960315103807.20c004b1@aaocbn2.aao.gov.au> Resent-To: <John_Kiffmeyer@machome.com> Subject: Tether brightness and analysis Resent-Message-Id: <"YeWlf1.0.sN2.UsAIn"@iris01> Resent-From: seesat-l@iris01.plasma.mpe-garching.mpg.de X-Mailing-List: <seesat-l@iris01.plasma.mpe-garching.mpg.de> archive/latest/1884 X-Loop: seesat-l@iris01.plasma.mpe-garching.mpg.de Precedence: list Resent-Sender: seesat-l-request@iris01.plasma.mpe-garching.mpg.de