So then the question becomes, "How can I get current launch information when I am on holiday and away from the Web?" Does anyone know of a more informative number than 1 800 KSC INFO ? When STS-76 left for Mir the other morning, the 'launch simulation" in STS-PLUS was spot-on for rise and set times as well as altitude, I recommend that anyone interested in seeing launches from a great distance use STS-PLUS to see if a particular launch will be visible from their location. Stephen SThompson@esiusa.com