Jim Varney wrote: > Okay, flare fans, can you now outshine glint? The distinguishing features are the duration of the reflection and other observed visual characteristics. The terms "flash" and "glint" are virtually interchangeable. Both imply short duration. The editors of my Webster's Collegiate were kind enough to provide connative distinctions between similar words. They say: "flash" implies a sudden and transient outburst of bright light "glint" implies a cold-glancing light where "glance" suggests a bright darting light reflected from a quickly moving surface I am not sure what they mean by "cold-glancing", however. By convention, especially in the aerospace fields, the term "glint" is generally preferred over "flash", possibly because a "glint" is clearly a reflection of energy, whereas a "flash" could also mean an emanation of energy from within. In any case, we on SeeSat-L have adopted "flash" to mean "periodic flashing" as distinguished from the nonperiodic "glint", so for us, using "glint" for reflections off solar panels and the phased array antenna panels (?) on Iridiums seems more appropriate than "flash". But back to the distinction between "glint" and "flare" for Iridiums. The keys are, again, duration and visual characteristics. One of the definitions for "flare" is "an outburst, a spreading outward". There is an implication of extended duration and the visual characteristic of a "spreading outward" of the light. Although "glint" may still be more technically correct for Iridiums, it nevertheless implies very short duration, a "sharp" or "narrow spike" characteristic in the reflected intensity versus time plot. Some of the Iridiums I've seen have indeed exhibited what could best be described as "glints" -- short, sharp changes in brightness. Other Iridiums, however, have visually been more akin to "flares". The "monster" I saw last night, for example, slowly ramped up in brightness over a period of seconds, and I most definitely had the visual impression of a "spreading outward" of the light, especially in the latter, brighter stages. So I propose that both terms, "glint" and "flare", be accepted on this list to describe the phenomena, with the choice determined by: GLINT FLARE Duration in Time "short" "long" Duration in Space "confined" "expanding" Respectfully submitted this day... ;-) --Sue (worden@uts.cc.utexas.edu)