Jay mentioned that he would post the photo when he found the time, I had some time so it's at http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Galaxy/3070/M42UnIds.htm along with the details, time, Lat/Long etc. Personally I lean toward a diffraction ray pattern, and am having trouble getting skymap to plot an alldat search using al990301 or al990308 there seems to be a line missing in each tle. Jim