Re: Posting observations and elements of spysats

From: Greg Williams (
Date: Thu Sep 20 2001 - 13:47:36 EDT

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    The way I see it, I doubt they are getting Keps on Spysats here.  I doubt
    they even care who's spying on them.
    If they dont get them from here, they'll get them somewhere else.  They dont
    just cruise the web looking for things like this.  They are an intelligence
    network in and of themselves.  For all we know they have ppl in low places
    getting this kind of information through alternative means.
    I say it makes little difference one way or the other whether they are
    posted or not.
    Greg Williams
    ----- Original Message -----
    From: "Atul Sowani" <>
    To: <>
    Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2001 12:40 AM
    Subject: RE: Posting observations and elements of spysats
    Looks like we are in for another hot debate! ;-)
    Well, nobody has stopped developing new lethal weapons aimed at
    mass-extinsion, just by considering what will happen if bad
    guys ever happened to acquire them. TLE are quite trivial compared
    to such things. Also, there are so many things going on in the
    world - does owners of spy satellites always know everything about
    such activities? Did they know beforehand about India's planned
    atomic bomb tests? The answer is No!
    I do not consider publishing TLE's will do any harm or have played
    any "tragic role". If we want to stop the abuse, we might well
    consider giving up telephones, computers, electricity, airplanes,
    postal mail parcels ...
    The world has changed, yes, but there will be so many ways to counter
    the bad guys and technology advances just because of this ongoing
    conflict between bad guys and good guys.
    So, all-in-all, I do not consider it a good idea to seize posting
    US sat TLE to the list. US in no special, just another country in
    this world.
    On Wed, 19 Sep 2001 17:39 -0700, Dale Ireland wrote:
    > Ted Molczan wrote
    > > unfortunately, there can be no assurance of who is right. It is
    > > my hope that
    > > those on either side can agree to disagree, and leave it to the
    > > conscience of
    > > the individual.
    > >
    > > Ted Molczan
    > You admit that you are not sure if your network of observers helps the
    > of Bin Laden, you also make many suppositions about the use of the
    > surveillance satellites that you have absolutely no idea about since you
    > certainly not privy to any of the facts. As Bin laden is more isolated he
    > will rely more on your elements, he doesn't seem to have many allies and
    > certainly doesn't have a group of guys with watches making satellite
    > observations.. Your elements may already have played a tragic role. Your
    > idea of conscience may endanger us all, that is one screwed up hobby.
    > It boils down to getting self satisfaction from being a rebel and poking a
    > finger in the eye of the Pentagon. Seems to me they have had enough abuse
    > lately. The world has changed, some people just don't get it.
    > Dale Ireland
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